Whenever I write something like this I've found I end up constructing each tweet a bit like a lengthy bullet point. Imagine if the CEO was a sociopath who is both adept at manipulating public opinion and out to destroy the investor's reputation. Especially since Series B and C were 5-6 years ago. How do you substantiate an accusation like "you insisted on talking to me at 3AM local time after I just stepped off a plane after a 18 hour flight" (or whatever the deets are)? I was wondering where I knew that name from... there's a module about Ryan & CircleUp in the HBS Disruptive Innovation Course -. Series A was led by USV and the email already ruled them out. The VC isn't going to sue the author of an email that didn't name them that called out their bad behavior. As in, his life-continuum determined for him the affordance to seek the best treatment after compounding time in a direction you or I could never perceive. Mate, you got so lucky, to be alive, to have kids. because of greed. Three names have been named. Very revealing at the board level. Now they know, and maybe they'll buy a Model S. There's more to it than you're giving him credit for. 1) The accusations are currently unsubstantiated, 2) The reputational damage to the investor is already significant and largely irreversable, 3) Outing the investor here will significantly increase the reputational damage to the investor. This means the next CEO who runs up against this investor is mostly completely unaware of their past actions. When "follow your Dreams" leads to this....well did you really dreamed about it that way? my daughter looked at me and said, “Daddy, you always look so sad”. Tweet storms and email chains like these read like the startup version of Jersey Shore or Housewives of OC. "Life, if you know how to use it, is long. FINALLY HIS FIRST EMAIL(feedback to the board member) IS AN EXCELLENT READ. One commenter has edited their comment to change the person being accused. https://www.ted.com/talks/jon_ronson_when_online_shaming_goe... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_stair, https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40611328-ishmael, https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/melt-shop, https://online.hbs.edu/courses/disruptive-strategy/. If you highlight the name, the highlighted text is {{14}}. That said, I do wonder how Elon Musk, who's simultaneously trying to send humanity to Mars, convert the world to electric cars and solar panels, and create direct neural uplinks doesn't crack from the pressure though. Very doubtful. On November 11, 2015, the company announced its Series C funding round of $30 million … You may see it as just 'discussing some random topic on a forum'. I looked into this and it's actually quite difficult to definitively identify who is being referenced. I have persistent anxiety and every few months my body will either revert to one of the symptoms you described there or invent something entirely new and fun for me out of the blue. Per Crunchbase, Jungju (Jay) Kim was the board partner for Collaborative's Series C investment in CircleUp. Greed has been prevalent throughout history. I’m incredibly appreciative of OPs transparency here. Some startups are built to grow. Rihanna invested in Partake Foods, a Black-owned allergy-friendly food brand that just closed a $4.8 million Series A financing round. Outing the investor here will cause significant, irreparable reputational damage to the investor. As someone who is in a tough spot right now, this post really hit home. Board members who feel that their role as board member grants them instant authority and credibility on all topics. I really wonder when this cycle of typical HN cliches will go away. By giving him the opportunity to defend himself, you get a more balanced view and decrease the likelihood of cruel & unusual punishment. As far as I can tell, these seem to be mutually exclusive: the leads of all the rounds seem to be veteran (or at the least very seasoned)VC investors. It started with absolutely brutal fertility issues that my wife and I went through, beginning in 2016. I wish this guy al the best, this maybe is the best thing he ever did. You're the person YC points to and says - See him, you could be like him one day! No more or less than giving a dentist a bad review, impacting their income and reputation. Let’s not do that. As far as I can tell, these seem to be mutually exclusive: the leads of all the rounds seem to be veteran (or at the least very seasoned)VC investors. Where are you seeing the current and past board members? Serious ? From reading other posts by Ryan, he seems to be trying to talk about the general problems he faced that simply don’t get surfaced often (for example, due to the associated risks to your career.) Just this week he changed the price of the Model S to a meme, $69,420. He clearly values their respect so one of them (or better all of them) needed to sit him down for a talk. How does one call out BS without trampling on the spirit of the genuinely hurting? However, keeping shitty people protected by keeping the info private does nobody any good. Name the board member. Overall it's just very hard in the US to sue someone for telling the truth about how awful you are. Do you want to live in a world where someone's reputation and livelihood can be destroyed by unsubstantiated claims? Jay Kim was a fairly fresh venture investor at the time; the model and operation of NXC/Nexon's investment arm was quite different to the traditional … The VC firm in question is trivial to figure out. It's an investment vehicle focused on generating a particular kind of return by investing in a particular kind of company. It is hard to beat that "intelligence" sensor encorporated in the human shaped by thousends of years of evolution. It's clear that people in the industry will be able to figure out who the letter is addressed to - and I would be surprised if the CircleUp CEO didn't realise this. Jay Kim was a fairly fresh venture investor at the time; the model and operation of NXC/Nexon's investment arm was quite different to the traditional VC. This would be an immediate red flag. The entrepreneurship ecosystem is full of narcissists, blowhards, and self-important people who believe that since they are managing other people's money they therefore have more wisdom and insight than anyone else. Please don't underestimate the consequences of your actions. Collaborative Fund led the Series C round. He's not saying the process will take 2 years. > audience, and forceful conciseness thanks to the platform constraints. But otherwise, I've found that you simply acclimate over time. I read this as a bunch of whining that reflects poorly on the CEO. I'm thankful for that "feedback email", whoever that guy was, he either has a serious case of the Dunning–Kruger effect going on or he deliberately behaved that way to extract money out of a startup by being a total, Reading this is like reading about my own experience. How exactly did the reading of this post make you conclude he did the least work? Embarrassing frankly. I care about my managers but I don't care about the projects. He even admits to taking this investment and giving up a board seat without ever meeting in person. The only listing of the board I can find is this news article [0] from 2015, but again, none of the people listed there can be definitively identified as the one being referenced. I see them as slightly less crazy, but just as annoying as our dear president. Very doubtful. You only have one life to live. Just look for a firm that had a board seat that is no longer listed on the site and that does not list Circlecup on their site. I don't see this as a case where a weak party is unable to fairly attack the powerful. Indeed. This reality is not the same as the traditional business reality. Like as if he is some sort of... oh i don’t know... a human being with emotions and feeling. VCs don't invest in businesses as much as they invest in return-generating vehicles. They have always struck me as founder-friendly. The author didn't out them, and they were the people that feel wronged by them. > Keeping the info private does nobody any good. He asked, "do you feel stressed?" CircleUp said Monday that it teamed up with Collaborative Fund to finance more consumer-product startups. I was thinking more along the lines of his name not appearing in this discussion's title means people searching his name might not find this discussion. He is sitting at work right in front of you on a basket with $$$, you listen to him as you think you need it for food and if you are priviledged for "dreams".. maybe just look in a mirror ? It didn't take me long to figure out who the seeming douche bag of an ex-board member is, despite being half a world away from the US and Valley intrigue. It took a while for me to realise what was happening and actually start taking care of myself - it's criminally easy to get stressed behind your own back. Naming the investor is counterproductive. Given that the accusations are based on unsubstantiated claims, outing the investor is wrong. Why do you feel the need to do what the author chose specifically not to? HackerNews clone built with Nuxt.js. Not to mention the absolute beating our natural environment and habitat is taking in the process of servicing this greed to accumulate as much as you possibly can. Given that the accusations are based on unsubstantiated claims, outing the investor is wrong. View Jay Kim’s profile on LinkedIn, the world’s largest professional community. I was leading engineering for three separate products and dealing with some very difficult stakeholders. > Keeping information in a quiet private forum makes it inaccessible to people at large. You can’t have a balanced life if you want to be extraordinary. Because they don't need to follow the typical path of traditional businesses, which are dependent on cash flow and customers and mostly industry or region-specific competition. He'll be fine. That said, I was in a bad mood, and in hindsight I shouldn't have judged based on so little information; I don't know what /actually/ happened. > but if you work with an asshole it’s not your responsibility to shield him. Nobody likes to date people who are trashing, Fair enough. Ryan explicitly calls Dan Ciporin "a great board member" in his blog post. What I can't believe, in hindsight, was when I asked my doctor if this could be stress related. February 26, 2014. I have not worked with Dan but I have worked with Canaan. That group of professional challenges was more difficult than anything else I’ve faced in my career. Three names have been named. People value different things, and it's very possible he will proudly look back on his time spent on CircleUp. 2015 Vintage USD 22m Size Buy and sell stakes in CircleUp Growth Capital Fund … Founded in 2012, CircleUp is backed by Union Square Ventures, Collaborative Fund, GV, Canaan Partners, QED Advisors, and former leaders of Goldman Sachs, Capital One … They only care about the dynamics of investment return vehicles. They will say I am not a bad person to work with and this inaccurate statements have affected my reputation. Bad investors, bad board members, and even bad incubators are a dime a dozen. That said, I have one question. I'm sure she was an adult when she joined, fully capable of making her own decisions and weighting up pros and cons. It seems like you can't narrate the latter without the former. https://docs.google.com/document/d/17tEc9ETL4tjfTmNbpwJJ5OSx... https://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2015/01/60650-lending-club-... https://twitter.com/ricburton/status/1316945844315238401?s=2... https://twitter.com/cshapiro/status/1317212694529802242?s=20. I worried that the team would use my diagnosis as an excuse to throw in the towel, that my health would become a distraction, cause the company to fail and make things that much worse. The 6-page e-mail sent to the difficult former board member is interesting: Some people are agreeing with you, but I actually don't agree. I think it is even worse over there, you can basically write what you want, as long as nobody can prove it outright wrong. Easier said than done obviously, as that initial downgrade feels like a big hit. But, doing so could be ruining an innocent person's life. It's driven many good people away from companies they've founded. Tuesday was my last day as CEO of CircleUp. For context I am a developer in the Silicon Valley. Imagine if the CEO was a sociopath who is both adept at manipulating public opinion and out to destroy the investor's reputation. Tags Collaborative Fund TC Jay Kim… This is why venture investing exists - to chase those non-traditional businesses that have the promise / potential to generate huge returns. Jay Kim was a fairly fresh venture investor at the time; the model and operation of NXC/Nexon's investment arm was quite different to the traditional VC. Online shaming often gets out of hand and goes too far. Online shaming often gets out of hand and goes too far. Yes for all the people who didn't know about Tesla or Elon Musk. [edit] Is giving the accused a platform to defend himself that unpopular of an opinion? The fact that the VC isn't named, makes it difficult for them to reply in a public way and respond to some of those points. This is why "businesses" like WeWork are so divorced from business reality. The Presence of Jay Kim's profile does not indicate a business or promotional relationship of any kind between RelSci and Jay Kim. By the end of it he's got his health back, his kids, an easy job, lots of money. “Making an impact” is the best answer, but then it should be something more humane than financial. > and I would be surprised if the CircleUp CEO didn't realise this. I read this as a bunch of whining that reflects poorly on the CEO. FWIW, I was deeply curious about who the investor was and spent some time investigating who lead the fundraising rounds on Crunchbase, but I couldn't narrow it down sufficiently. They, after all, have the money and influence to pay for much more professional attacks than the weak can scrounge together. CircleUp’s Classifier compiles and … Collaborative Fund will get access to the CircleUp pipeline of startups, which it uses proprietary algorithmic technology to analyze. None of these persisted. I also tried to figure this out and couldn't narrow it down to a single person. This investor sold right during or after the series C. might be Brendan Dickinson from Canaan for the Series B. Doxxing on HN feels like it should have an extremely good reason to do so, IMHO. The CEO went out of his way to make the board member as easy to identify as he could, short of spelling his name out. To this day, I cry every time I go to the cancer center at Stanford. This is similar to how priests were quietly shuffled around parishes. Indeed. When I write a blog post I naturally end up optimising for writing quality, and what could have been 5 tweets ends up as 1,500 words. When will people understand that the VC industry is a form of money management? Also hindsight is 20/20 but if you work with an asshole it’s not your responsibility to shield him. Steve Jobs was a shitty parent as well. I agree this is the downside of my proposed approach. Listen to signals your body sends, if there is no fun soon, it means STOP. > That said, I do wonder how Elon Musk, who's simultaneously trying to send humanity to Mars, convert the world to electric cars and solar panels, and create direct neural uplinks doesn't crack from the pressure though. Yet you lost years of your life, plus all your kids' early childhood fretting over terrible bosses. ... Big Investors. I thought for a second and said, "no.". Yeah, totally right! I'd wake up in the middle of the night nauseated. It follows then that if you're building a VC investment-return generating vehicle then what you're doing is not the same as building a "normal" business. This would be an immediate red flag in my book. Others see it as eccentric. [1] https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/melt-shop. VCs invest in the businesses that don't fit those molds. What would you propose? As a person who is susceptible to the same degree of stress and mental health toil, let’s not make the story about the investor but rather around the stresses of being a CEO. But you also are careful when they trashed their. Therefore, it is not likely to be their best option, which means the candidates who are interested are more likely to be not-so-great CEO candidates. Why? But I feel the pain everyday of having to answer to my managers who are constantly asking for status on my projects. I had gotten to a place where I only focused on the losses and couldn’t accept positive things. Even without outing the investors, many founders are currently doing the necessary research to identify the investor and will blacklist him. I experienced a constellation of bad health symptoms. But your point is valid as well - nobody wants to jump onto a ship that's about to go down. https://fclawyers.com.au/checking-facts-before-you-write-rev... Or am I mistaken about US law? You can look it up on the Internet Archive. I’d say Elon Musk has been acting more and more erratically as time has gone on. However, while the lead investor companies are established, the "partners" of the lead investors listed on crunchbase do seem to fit the fresh investor note. Specifically, a vet was "grumpy", and charged 3x markup for some medication, which apparently was true but hand waved away in the hearing with the excuse around delivery and overheads. 2) Out the investor in private forums where data/information that arises after the publication of this article can be fully considered. I didn't mean to offend. Use the PitchBook Platform to explore the full profile. CircleUp is a well-known fundraising platform for consumer products. Kim Kardashian and Katie Holmes are devotees of Barry’s hour-long sessions that are known to burn up to 1000 calories. February 26, 2014 at 11:30 AM EST. I remember letting go of someone I had known since college. 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